Curse

Omgopolis · May 22, 2009, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Chieftain Heavyhand

If SF is nerfed then all skills used to farm should be as well, and when they finish doing that they should also remove all the PVE skills and consumables

I think you may be onto something there sir, that's quite a novel idea you have. It certainly would make pve a little more interesting, at the very least.

Cuilan · May 22, 2009, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by haggus71

Yes! in before the ban hammer!

You're being banned?

Shadow Form is good enough. Let hard mode be hard (or at least less boring).

Hailey Anne · May 22, 2009, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

How many different monsters exist in GW that can deal enough damage (or any at all) to a character using SF to kill them? Not many, and they are spread out in few places. This means that 1 skill allows 1 class (since they made it virtually impossible to perma on anything by Sin) to farm anything (practically). Farming isn't the problem for me though. For me, the problem is that things like UWSC, FoWSC, VSF, etc. have become the normal situation for many places. I used to be able to do Slavers with PUGS. Did it on my Ranger, Monk, and Rit. Now, you can't find anything going into Slavers but Voltaic Spear farm teams. Same with UW and FoW. Used to be able to find PUGs for them, not it is only speed clears.

Only thing I want them to change about Shadow Form is to make it impossible to maintain it 100% of the time. If it was reduced to 80% you could still use it, and not be able to farm anything indefinitely. I remember doing Tombs with an A/Me using Arcane Echo and Shadow Form with Shadow of Haste to teleport to safety when SF ended. Could solo all of Tombs with it if you were patient, but it took longer, and it took more skill.

As far as the idea the OP presented.... LOL.... no. SF is already broken (in my opinion) and your idea would simply make it worse. Not only would it be bad for the games economy, it would be bad for the games population.

All those things you just listed...
How many times do you think UWSC and VSF fail?
Answer ALOT SF is immune to everything can still fail ALOT.
Just leave SF alone. Its been in play long enough theres no point in changing it. The damage has already been done. And chaning SF wont bring anything back.

englitdaudelin · May 22, 2009, 03:11 AM // 03:11

I like the stance idea.

I'm not opposed to Sins farming. I'm not opposed to shadow form being able to be permanently maintained. I'm not opposed to speed clears, farm groups, smiters, button-mashing abuse in any form.

I'm opposed to the stellar lack of counters, especially for the Shadow Form.

Weren't the nightmares put into UW to make the 55 solo more difficult? Shock on those 2 small groups of Charged Blacknesses to get through SF? The Raptors have skills to get past stances, and to interrupt spells...but they have no chance of interrupting a perma sin.

For the kinds of areas where frickin' voices of the gods warn you that you need full teams...I think you should need full teams. I think there should be counters (rending touch, for instance? Consistent Obsidian Behemoth Spawns that BLOCK the way?).

And I'm not opposed to seeing other changes: D-shot on the skellies outside Bergen... touch skills and KDs on more than just the Enchanted in CoF.

It's been said before: As it is, SF really combines 2 elites, without the drawbacks that A-Net often builds in...
(Consider Vow of Silence: you cannot be the target of ANY spells, including your own. Spell Breaker can still suffer physical damage; takes some work to keep up permanently. Mist Form: Cannot deal damage from attacks.).

The post above me does point something out: we don't really know how often these speed groups and farm trips fail. Unfortunately, the answer might be: not as often as they should.

Look, ANet and some Devs even said that farming is a legit way to play. I do agree there: but I think that an uncounterable elite is way too overpowered.

undead living · May 22, 2009, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Hailey Anne

All those things you just listed...
How many times do you think UWSC and VSF fail?
Answer ALOT SF is immune to everything can still fail ALOT.
Just leave SF alone. Its been in play long enough theres no point in changing it. The damage has already been done. And chaning SF wont bring anything back.

I remember when I could fow on my ele with SF usung soh..now impossible...i say take out the dmg reduction but make not 100s% maintainable. if that means nerfing cons,GoS or SF..i mean u think of the nerf don't ruin it for other people...aka other profs who don't abuse it

Eragon Zarroc · May 22, 2009, 04:53 PM // 16:53

this is an extremely retarded suggestion and it seems as if little to no thought was given to it. if u want to perma farm, make a sin, *sigh* if u are unable to make a sin for perma within a reasonable amount of time, then ur playing lvl is too low for it to be of any use to u anyways. wtf would u do with ur version of fvcking shadow form? u wouldn't be able to farm. like, wtf... *sigh* waste of breath

toocooltang · May 22, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Whats wrong with shadowform?

Well in an hour and 10minutes you could do urgoz, fow, doa, and uw. How crazy is that, its even more overpowered than bearway.

http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/8d3ba464/9mins.jpg - 9 min uw
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6333/gw748.jpg - 13 min fow
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7480/gw373.jpg - 15 min urgo
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7938/gw388.jpg - 34min doa

Good job to all the people that did those runs but it is clearly overpowered and has be exploited to the extreme by the community.

Will Holden · May 22, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17

stop
posting

Kattar · May 22, 2009, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Alrighty, this has gone on long enough. Just like every other SF thread, there's nothing new here nor is there anything to be gained by discussing it further.

Closed.